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« on: December 06, 2008, 01:29:07 am »

This is the "not-a-review". Notes on the Qinpu speakers and amplifier.

Q-1 Amplifier

Qinpu is relatively unknown in the West (just like Yuin - until recently anyway). Qinpu is a major Chinese manufacturer of home hi-fi components, speakers, amplifiers, home theatre kits, etc.

The Q-1 is a small amplifier, capable of delivering 2W/channel into an 8-ohm load. It is designed to drive small efficient speakers like the Q-6. 2W per channel might seem like little, but the Q-6 are capable of 80 dB/1W at 1 metre, so the figure translates into a lot of racket from small speakers.

The Q-1 is the start of the "Q" small speaker/amplifier line, and so it is pretty basic. It has two speaker terminals (two posts with screws for naked cable connection), an on/off switch, a minijack line input, a standard "two bells" RCA input, and a headphone output. Yes, the Q-1 has a built-in headphone amplifier. Pretty good for a basic speaker amp. There is also an automatic FM tuner with an antenna RCA jack (any cable with an RCA terminator can be plugged in as antenna).

Other than the power button, there're two controls, a dial switch between FM radio and the volume dial.

The Q-1's FM radio tuner is automatic: no scale - only [+]/[-] buttons to switch between autosensed stations. The FM tuner does not save tuning when switched off/away from.

A miniplug-to-RCA cable is supplied, along with an RCA-plug radio antenna.

The amp's signal-to-signal noise, A-weighted, was measured as better than 60 dB. Which means it hovers above 60 dB, but not that much better (expect 61-62 dB dynamics or so). In other words, it's rather shallow-sounding, but then so is FM radio, and so are MP3 files: the MP3 algorithm's ATH (absolute threshold of hearing) limit is usually around 75-78 dB floor, and worsens as bitrate decreases.

In line input mode, the amp will play whatever comes in through the RCA connections, and it will automatically switch to whatever's inserted into the minijack. In other words, the mini socket has priority over RCA.

The amp does not mute speakers when headphones are connected, and there's no "speaker mute" button either. This can be an advantage as it allows connecting a set of active speakers to the amp, or a subwoofer.
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2008, 01:37:07 am »

Q-6 Speakers

The Q-6 speakers look unusual. Not like the regular IPod white or plastic metallic grey "multimedia" speakers.



Not at all.
The speakers were described as "heart-shaped", but really they look like 19th-century steamships.

   

Speaker housing finish is a glossy black "piano" lacquer, the boxes themselves are wooden MDF with metal studs and cones.

Impedance is 4-ohm, maximum power input is 12W, stated efficiency is 80 dB. All of this printed on the back panels, BTW.



Connection is via standard "naked" copper cables.

   
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2008, 02:40:38 am »

Now, the sound... The Q-1 amp is quite smooth (it really is a hi-fi amp, in spite of its somewhat shallow dynamic range), it never throws up spikes or any kind of distortion. The large red box on top of the amp houses its adapter coil, and a large power supply is usually a sign of a well-built, stable amplifier. Which the Q-1 is. But: the Q-6 really will need something like the Q-2 amplifier, with its better dynamic range and smooth valve overtones.

Partly because of the rather unusual sound signature. The Q-6 have a tonal balance much like AKG K-271 Studio headphones: airy, open midrange, sparkling, wide-open highs, and contoured bass. No bass boom or bloom. To bring out the most of this ambiental detail and bring out the dramatism and impact in music, the Q-6 will need an amplifier with a wide dynamic range. Warm valve overtones will also help the Q-6 magic.
The "ambiental" tonal shift is even more towards high frequencies and high midrange than the K-271S' sound signature.

In the speaker system world, there's one maker whose systems were the exact opposite of this tonal balance: Kenwood.



Kenwood's famous for mini- & midi-systems with boomy, blooming bass, and barmy high frequencies. Part of which is due to their amplifiers. The speakers are cleaner in frequency response; lion's share of the colouring is done by Kenwood system amps. Also, Kenwood seems to favour diffuse field (DF) EQ, with serious rolloff past 12 KHz, which is "CD-favouring" as it conceals the coarseness of high frequencies in CD audio (less than 4 samples/cycle past 11025 Hz). The DF EQ though makes speakers conceal space and distance. Everything sounds as if it were "right here in the room"; the bookshelf Kenwood speakers here smear and blur high-frequency reverberation and the more delicate instruments in mixes (high frequencies provide spatial cues, and are essential to precise instrument separation).

Unlike the Q-6. The Q-6 make all echoes, all reverberation, all airiness come out. Tangerine Dream's "Stratosfear 1994" was stunning. It really sounded like stratosphere (and like "Stratosfear"). Vangelis' music was as magical as it has to be, even though it lacked a tiny bit of warmth (which the Q-2 hybrid amplifier ought to provide!). Even the bass-and-drums-heavy Lain Cyberia Mix CD was very inspiring and atmospheric. Enya's latest CD was also wonderful. But, conventional rock doesn't sound that stunning: the Q-6 prod high midrange and high frequencies over bass and low midrange, and this can push forward hi-hats and the higher frequencies of distorted/overdriven guitars.

By the way of which... The Q-6 are somewhat critical of material. In part this is due to sensitivity: all artifacts and noise which are usually masked on lower-sensitivity speakers will not be hidden. They'll show what there is. So they will make the screechiness and attack defects in lower-quality MP3 and even some CDs come out.

Because of the tonal balance towards clarity, towards high frequencies and the higher part of midrange, the Q-6 can produce some interesting effects. They may not sound as loud as they really play, as there's no impactful, tactile bass for reference. Enya's latest seemed to be relatively mute as it played, but people had to raise voices to talk. Because of this the Q-6 are also ideal office or bedroom speakers: there's a lot of clarity at low volume, unlike the boomier conventional speakers. And, of course, they have a rather different soundfield.

Conventional speakers project a relatively "plain" soundfield in front of them, much like a flashlight, in cones. There's a "sweet spot" between two speakers' sound cones where the soundstage is most lifelike, most detailed. The Q-6 have circular soundfields. Sound is fired by the drivers into metal cones, which reflect/diffuse the sound around them.

 


The metal cones are the secret to Q-6 ambiental soundstage - both the rich high frequencies (the metal cones might even generate some additional overtones that compensate for MP3 files' lack of harmonics) and soundstage width. A German reseller calls the Q-6 "3-D field" speakers, which they really aren't though, as the soundstage has a "mute area" created by the speakers' boxes, but this area is relatively small. Because of this the Q-6 "sweet spot" isn't as defined; they're not as critical to location as conventional speakers. Of course sitting close to and between the speakers will produce a better result than sitting in the next room, but the difference in location is less than with conventional box speakers.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2008, 02:54:27 am »

Vocals come out clearest, which is not surprising for speakers with almost "monitor" bias towards high midrange. Male vocals lack a tiny bit of low range, but this is compensated with clarity. Female vocals are smooth and moving, though slightly cold.

The Q-6 are tiny speakers, and hence have a slightly "toyish" character. Which isn't surprising: they fit into a backpack or any bag except perhaps a female small handbag. There's a very slight "boxy" feel to the sound from stud reflections and most of the soundfield having to fit in the gap between the speaker housing and its "roof".
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Recable+defoaming do magic for: AKG K-240 Studio.
Overhyped bass++ headphones: K-81DJ.
Best "portable" mini-headphones: OVC HC1000.
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2008, 05:54:06 pm »

Conventional speakers have a directional "sweet spot" - the area where sound fields converge.



Q-6 also have a "sweet spot", but it's not as defined. It's somewhere in a metre from speakers with speakers at ear level, at half a metre to the left and right. Unlike conventional speakers, the Q-6 spread sound all around them, so there's more of a "sweet area" where they're loudest. The farther from speakers, of course, the muter the soundfield will get, but it's not as sharply directional as with conventional box speakers. The soundfield is more of an "orchestra hanging in the air" than "orchestra blasting through speakers".

Because of this, the Q-6 can also be played at a lower volume and cover a wider area. Which makes them an interesting choice for cafes, bedrooms, offices, etc. The Q-6 soundfield is versatile - they'll create a wide sound source wherever they're placed. Conventional speakers are like spotlights - intense wherever they point at; Q-6 are like a lamp - flooding everything with sound.
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Recable+defoaming do magic for: AKG K-240 Studio.
Overhyped bass++ headphones: K-81DJ.
Best "portable" mini-headphones: OVC HC1000.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2008, 06:50:37 pm »

The Q-6 do have bass. All the way down to 100 Hz. Below that, there isn't much. They'll paint the contours of bass instruments, but they won't play really low bass and sub-bass, the "tactile" part. Which can be a problem for music built around synthesised bass - the hints (upper bass harmonics) will be there, but the low bass instrument will be muted in the mix.





This is a soundtrack piece from Knytt Stories; the sub-bass (starting from 22 seconds) is audible on the Q-6, but it is missing part of its body, and the lowest notes are absent. This is only a problem for synthesised music: a sub-bass like that has few harmonics in addition to its fundamental. In real-world music there's no instrument without harmonics. Even the lowest organ notes (way below 100 Hz) will have audible harmonics over 100 Hz.

Q-6 bass response is excellent nevertheless, for small portable speakers with cabinet volume four times less than that of bookshelf speakers. The Q-6 cabinets are ported; the bass reflex port is hidden at the bottom of each speaker. Bass waves are beamed downwards, and reflected/spread around by whichever surface the speakers are standing on. The Q-6 must be standing on a surface for correct bass reflex; otherwise the bass exhaust will be in inverted phase.

The Head-Direct store also sells Qinpu SW-5, a subwoofer that will complement the Q-6. The SW-5 has a frequency range of 45-250 Hz.
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Widely unknown and way underrated: Roland headphones.
Overhyped: Sennheiser PX, AKG K-81DJ.
Worst value: Sennheiser PX200.
Best value: Roland RH-50, -200, 300.
Recable+defoaming do magic for: AKG K-240 Studio.
Overhyped bass++ headphones: K-81DJ.
Best "portable" mini-headphones: OVC HC1000.
Only earbuds ever worth buying: Yuin PK3.
Best dynamics: Denon AH-D1000/1001.
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